Abiogenesis have been “proven” in the labs, and also disregarded by many scientists, for several reasons. The main and most ironic of which being that intelligent intervention was involved. So instead making a case for abilgenesis being proven intelligent design was practiced. Another reason it is widely disregarded is they went in the lab looking for an answer, there for they came in with a huge bias. Bias by the way is one thing that many non-believers accuse Christians of havening when the fact of the matter is, those same accusers come in with a bias against the Christians believes. (I wouldn’t share things with others I was not well informed about.) [A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.] 2 Timothy 2:24-26. It is not my job to convince anyone of the truth, I can only pass on the word, and if they are ready then God will change there hearts. In my last post to Mus I didn’t mention God, I simply laid out some facts, but now I am going to ask, is it more logical that no one made the universe or someone?
Assuming your at lest interested in who may have created such a vas place that if even the smallest detail was changed life would not be possible continue to read. To prove God created the universe, is to prove that Jesus Christ was the messiah, [But Jesus told him, “No! The Scriptures say, ‘People do not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.] The bible comes from the mouth of God, so if Jesus was real so was the Old Testament, and so was Genesis 1:1[In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.] It is true there were many deities, before the truth, however those man made deities never had a messiah, a living God. Text outside the bible, provide evidence of Christ’s existence, Roman historian Tacitus ,written in about 115 A.D; and in 112 A.D. a Roman governor wrote to Emperor Trajan regarding the Christians in his district, and Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book XVIII to name a few. Many well known historians agree Christ was alive even non-believers, such as Will Durant.
I have the most facts that proves He (Christ) is our Lord and savior, however I feel it would be a waste of my time, because of the pre-mentioned bias biblical text is not a good source of evidence. However I find it strange that Christianity would grow, rather then die out after there messiah was killed. If Christ never rose then it would be game over for Christians, they would have been duped by a mere human. Instead when WOMAN found that He was no longer in the tomb word and Christianity spread. I capsized woman for if this had been made up men would have found the tomb because woman words were not highly valued. [Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God. If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant.] Galatians 1:10
See, you're applying logic to religion, which is inherently illogical. If it was logical, it'd be called science. So to answer your question (is it more logical that no one made the universe or someone?), I would side with what evidence is before me. There is a large body of evidence supporting the big bang, abiogenesis (regardless of what things you see against it), and evolution. Your best argument FOR God is what I talked about in my last post, simply not knowing what came before. I don't know what, (if anything,) came before the universe we call home, but I find it stupid to attribute it to an omnipresent being that brings about more questions than answers. I do hope you see what it is I'm trying to say: Your argument for God is a question- "what came first"- and your solution doesn't satisfy the equation.
ReplyDeleteMy goal here is not to berate you, please don't think that.
My goal, on the other hand..is to do just that. This is ignorance on a stupefying level. None of your arguments or proofs are logical, and would hold no water with anyway that actually THINKS. Abiogenesis isn't disregarded by scientists...it's disregarded by creationists. And to say its "intelligent design" being practiced is just absurd. They're not creating matter or energy, time and space, and the universe as we know it. They're merely proving non-organic matter, under the right circumstances, can combine to form organic matter. And secondly, in general..you DON'T know what you're talking about. I don't know if you just wiki everything you want to talk about 2 minutes before hand, but you lack fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific principles at hand. In an earlier post, you said that evolutionary theory includes spontaneous generation. Say that to any scientist worth his lab coat, and you'll get laughed at. Evolution merely asserts that all living creatures share a common ancestor and adapt and evolve over time. It's not a ladder, more of a tree. And finally, you've created this ultimatum that either god did it, or all this just popped up. Nobody here is arguing that. We know how the universe works, and why things happen the way they do. But, we get to a point, before the Big Bang, where we don't know what happened. And we don't claim to. We can't know right now. But attributing it to an unexplainable deity in the sky is bronze age thinking, and we need to move on from that as a society. Now, you mentioned bias, scientists in the lab didn't have bias, that's completely ridiculous. Either the experiment worked or it didn't. There's no opinion involved. The facts are there. YOU on the other hand have bias out the asshole, because all your arguments presuppose we couldn't POSSIBLY be here without God. And you're right. Your biblical references hold no weight here. It was written by people AFTER jesus supposedly lived. Your mindless reciting of verses and moral teachings just make you come across as a brainwashed sheep. You can google all the shit you want, but you really need to research this stuff. The evidence is in Mus and I's favor at this point. I challenge you to give one piece of evidence that God exists, that doesn't include the bible of course.
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